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Ivan's avatar

I have been rolling the same thoughts on the future of desktop PC and SoC evolution for some years. Looking at the console convergence on CPU and GPU integration and performance scaling already charted the path to a possible alternative. Then Apple just broke new ground with their M-series products. The SoC concept is no longer just a slow and skimpy solution for mobile and SOHO platforms. With the pricing crisis affecting the traditional PC component market, the small form factor with powerful SoC offerings will be tempting many (non-enthusiast) customers to ditch the age old ATX platform for a more discrete box. Big towers will still be around for workstation and boutique niche clients of course... with the appropriate price premium. I just hope the ThunderBolt interface becomes a standard feature for external GPU option in those cases when we need to scratch that benchmarking score ego. 😅

Ben's avatar

Hey Scott, I get where you're coming from and mostly agree.

The one thing that I think you might have missed, is I think AMD and Nvidia have intentionally gimped their little SoC boxes. If they perform too well, it might dissuade people from buying the big iron. After all, if two or four of those DGX Sparks with a theoretical GeForce RTX 5070's worth of bandwidth can run enormous models at acceptable speeds for a small company with 15-20 users, it could hurt the datacenter rollout. It feels like they were purpose-designed to be proof of concept machines you'd use to test your models on and then push them into the really big cloud environments where they can lease you GPU time forever and ever, amen.

I do agree that big SoC systems with actual passable performance could very well take over for many workloads. Nvidia seems to be giving a passing nod to their gaming roots with RTX Spark systems, even if it's just the same GB10 chip in a smaller thermal footprint so it works in laptops.

I kinda wouldn't mind a world where these big SoCs can work in tandem with PCIe add-in GPUs as well. I don't want these systems to be as small as possible and louder than PCs with equivalent power draw like they tend to be.

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